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Black River Road

Discussion in 'General Topics' started by Hikerman, Aug 2, 2020.

  1. Hikerman

    Hikerman ODSC-ADV Member

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    Hey
    Anyone familiar with Black River road and Old Wagon road off the HWY 118?
    Does it go through to HWY 117, looks like it goes through Bigwind Lake provincial park.
    Thanks, just working out a route.
    I am on a KLR650,
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    albatross ODSC-OFTR Member

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    Yes it does. It’s a fun road. I had a couple butt clenching moments riding it solo on my Africa Twin but I think most people would handle it without any problem.
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    KenH ODSC-OFTR Member

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    Tried to ride it Thursday July 30 and it was closed for logging operations. Just check before you go, we had to backtrack to 118 then go a long way around.
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    You betcha. It's usually part of my ride to Haliburton... Via Dorset. Sometimes my wife wonders why it takes me two days to get there!
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    Hikerman ODSC-ADV Member

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    Yes August 2, a guy driving in a pickup said don’t worry about the sign saying closed for logging, I road or past the sign a few km but the map I looked at online shows it doesn’t go through.
    That’s way I was looking at Old Wagon Rd. Google maps shows it does go through but didn’t try it, didn’t want to get into a tight spot on my Owen.
    I checked my garmen maps today and it shows a few “motorized trails” going through.
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    MozBoyz Limited User

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    I've done this ride with my boys a few times, it definitely goes through, and is definitely a fun ride. You can avoid the provincial park, and there are some ofsc signs along the way.
    Some big rocks, big sandy spots (and some big trucks and bulldozer the one year), watch your speed on the blind corners. Also some big puddles to cross after a rain...

    We were on a DRZ 400, DR 200 and a KLX 250

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  7. Hikerman

    Hikerman ODSC-ADV Member

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    Thanks for the tips!
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    Drew ODSC-OFTR Member

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    Here is my track through Bigwind from a month ago. Basically a nice little gravel road. The sign said no ATVs so I figure street legal vehicles are allowed. You could make a loop out of Black River Rd and this track.

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  9. Hikerman

    Hikerman ODSC-ADV Member

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    Thanks for the map!
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    MozBoyz Limited User

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    We were told by a local in a side by side to avoid the provincial park as the park rangers would be more than happy to stop you for trespassing.
    Unfortunately I can't find my .GPX file, we used Black River Rd to Hinson forest access Rd (last Rd before crossing the river) then hung a left at grouse lake.
    There are a lot of nice tracks in that area, I think next time we're out that way it'd be good to explore a few.
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    Hikerman ODSC-ADV Member

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    Thank for that MozBoyz
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    Next time any of you are up that way and want to ride let me know, some awesome trails in that area. Moved up here 10 yrs ago and live close to 118 out that way.
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    Awesome thanks Mtrhead73 definitely will!
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    Just rode up that way today for a big loop to 118, Black River Raod, 117, Dorset, Minden, Kinmount and was definitely an interesting trip but too much time on the slab but I did find some beautiful rolling sweepers. It was my first time in the area and I was using the Canada Topo Maps that came loaded on my Garmin (not great.. many missing roads) Google Maps would have been better though I'm trying to switch to using a proper GPS. Nevertheless, I eventually found my way out and onto 117 after a couple loops dead ends and back tracking.

    I noticed a ton of ATV trails and plenty of people camping here and there but can't quite figure out the whole bike vs ATV thing, lots of areas where ATVs are allowed bikes are prohibited? It always seems odd to me as arguably bikes do overall less damage in my opinion. How strict are these regulations? I'm relatively new to DS riding and have stumbled across plenty of ATV trails but tend to avoid them as they don't seem to be bike friendly. Thanks for any thoughts on this.
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    For whatever reason, when John Q Public thinks about dirt bikes, he envisions an 18 year old on a two stroke popping wheelies on public roads past a church on Sunday morning wearing flip flops and a fox racing jersey. In the public eye, dirt bikes are for kids and motocross, rebels and such. Not actually a motorcycle but a toy, a subsect of motorcycle.

    But the same guy generally sees ATV's as a real working mans machine that can do no harm and is just for old time country fun.

    It is a lot more complicated than that, but generally that is the idea I get because honestly I have no clue either. If you compare the machines side by side, the dirt bike is a lot less hard on the trail, much smaller footprint, and is generally the same when it comes to noise output (that is all based on the specific machine and the owner however). I mean, just compare a single track to a typical ATV track.

    All I can say is keep your pipes quiet and you demeanor pleasant around the public and maybe that will change one day. It is nice that OFTR and OFATV share trails in many areas, such as Simcoe County, which makes for great riding. But it is unfortunate that a lot of areas consists of a grey zone of legality for OFTR riders. It would be nice if both organizations had a clear memorandum of understanding regarding the topic though. Also consider spending some time on the Crown Land Use Policy Atlas (https://www.ontario.ca/page/crown-land-use-policy-atlas). If the trails are on Crown Land, then I would consider them free to use.
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    In addition to the crown land atlas, I use a backroad map books "Bancroft District Crown Land Map" as it shows different shades to distinguish crown land vs private land that trails pass through.

    In my experience, if a road or trail is private, it's generally very clearly posted or has a gate. I believe it's the burden of the owner to make that clear in a case where the property is not fenced or under cultivation. It's always best to have reference materials and do your best to keep it legal.
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    Thanks for the link to the Crown Land Atlas... I wasn't aware of it and it looks like it could be a great resource, and the thoughts around ATV vs bikes. It really would be nice to see more ATVs routes include bikes. Though perhaps the two styles of riding don't always mix well.

    I agree it's definitely great when trails are clearly signed or gated but I've come across several where it's just not entirely clear though I tend to take the conservative action and simply stay off them if there are any questions... though it is sometimes oh so tempting to carry on through ;-)
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    On another note, one time I followed an unposted trail and found myself face to face with about 8 police officers on ATVs doing training exercises. They immediately asked how I entered the property and I told them there was no sign, they served me a notice of trespass and that was the extent of it. If there's no reasonable way for you to know it's private, I wouldn't be scared to explore trails and roads. Especially farther north where crown land is more prevalent
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    Sounds like they needed training serving citations too!!! hahaha